No offense, but why would you do that...
To get back to your question, those units will work with the shifter that is on the element...You are right, thery have the same set-up...

 

Because I am crazy like that!!!:grin:

No the real answer is because when I am driving my Civic hatch with the short throw shifter and get back into my Element I feel like I am driving a truck because the throw is so long. The Neuspeed unit would be an easy way to shorten the throw some without having to mod much.

John

 

I would highly suggest NOT doing that... You would be wearing out your transmission synchros with fast upshifts...

Check it out for yourself....Speed Shift through the gears.....especially 1 to 2....

 

Oh yeah my syncros....dont want to mess them up!

Jeeezzz when are people going to learn!! Short shifters do not mess up transmissions, bad drivers do!! I have been racing for a long time with short shifters in every setup I have had and I have had not had one issue. With most short shifters you are only changing the pivot point. That will not effect the tranny at all.

John

 

With most short shifters you are only changing the pivot point. That will not effect the tranny at all.

Bingo. For the most part, thats all a short shift kit is, and it is not going to thrash the syncros, shift forks, etc...

This sounds like a cool mod to do with the E (even though it is hardly a sports car). For the most part, the E's shifter throw is rather short, but quickening it wouldn't be such a bad thing at all. The only real way to see if the shifter parts are a match for the '02-'05 Civic Si, one would need to look up the parts and see if they interchange.

I wish I there was a short shift kit for the Isuzu Pup I used to own...I often felt that I was rowing a boat instead of shifting gears.:shock:

Edit: Shifter sub-assembly part numberswhich looks to be what the Buddy Club unit replaces) Element 1379908 Civic Si 1082959

 

I hear you about short shift kits changing the pivot points, thus reducing the throw by XX%...But there are consequences. As I said earlier, SPEED SHIFT the 1 to 2....and you'll hit the synchros..

Now if you're gonna shift S L O W from 1 to 2 with a short shifter, then you just neglected the real purpose of the kit....What's the need for short shift kit???

Is it for LOOKS??? why not just hacking the shifter itself by 2" and rethreading the shaft....For all your intensive purposes...that should work...

PLease bro, I know that Short shifters do not mess up transmissions, bad drivers do!!

 

Like I said before bad drivers ruin transmissions. I have no issues shifting my tranny at all.

John

 

I hear you about short shift kits changing the pivot points, thus reducing the throw by XX%...But there are consequences. As I said earlier, SPEED SHIFT the 1 to 2....and you'll hit the synchros..

Now if you're gonna shift S L O W from 1 to 2 with a short shifter, then you just neglected the real purpose of the kit....What's the need for short shift kit???

Is it for LOOKS??? why not just hacking the shifter itself by 2" and rethreading the shaft....For all your intensive purposes...that should work...

PLease bro, I know that Short shifters do not mess up transmissions, bad drivers do!!

Definitely disagree with you on this one. Put a short shifter in my '91 Civic Si with no ill effects on the transmission. I never jammed it into gear on any occasion but it highly improved the overall feel of the shifter and shortened throws by almost 2 inches taking it from somewhat sloppy to precise and perfectly weighted. Also as far as hacking the original shifter, well you are not creating anymore leverage. The short shifter in my Si. had a longer section below the pivot point to compensate for the length lost above the pivot point.

 

Am i missing something here?....just because some one has a short shifter is doesnt mean they are going to speed shift thru the gears....i had short shifters on both mt Civic and my Integra and never had problems.

 

I hear you about short shift kits changing the pivot points, thus reducing the throw by XX%...But there are consequences. As I said earlier, SPEED SHIFT the 1 to 2....and you'll hit the synchros..

Now if you're gonna shift S L O W from 1 to 2 with a short shifter, then you just neglected the real purpose of the kit....What's the need for short shift kit???

Is it for LOOKS??? why not just hacking the shifter itself by 2" and rethreading the shaft....For all your intensive purposes...that should work...

PLease bro, I know that Short shifters do not mess up transmissions, bad drivers do!!

Maybe some of us like a shorter throw?.....Some cars feel like your shifting with a hockey stick.....my g/f has a 2001 Civic Coupe and i hate the shifter in that car....I have driven the same car with a short shifter adapter and it feels 10 times better.

 

I was hoping you'd chime in lizzurd...can you verify if the part numbers I posted earlier in this thread are indeed completely different items? Now I'm going to sound like an ass for saying this, but the drawings look identical (flame away). Does Honda actually manufacture two different shifters with different P/Ns or do they assign different P/Ns to discourage parts swapping? Maybe I haven't a clue about manufacturing, but when the E was being designed with a dash shifter like the Civic Si, wouldn't it make sense to use an item already in production? (like the Si shifter).

I would only like a short shifter to shorten the throw, not to quicken the shifts.

 

I was hoping you'd chime in lizzurd...can you verify if the part numbers I posted earlier in this thread are indeed completely different items? Now I'm going to sound like an ass for saying this, but the drawings look identical (flame away). Does Honda actually manufacture two different shifters with different P/Ns or do they assign different P/Ns to discourage parts swapping? Maybe I haven't a clue about manufacturing, but when the E was being designed with a dash shifter like the Civic Si, wouldn't it make sense to use an item already in production? (like the Si shifter).

I would only like a short shifter to shorten the throw, not to quicken the shifts.

Both the Si and the E have different numbers for the shifter assy as expected.I tried finding more info on-line but im at work and havent come up with anything yet.From what i can see with out having both parts in my hand that they should be close enough that a shifter adapter from a Civic should work.



The top picture is of the E.The lower picture is from the Civic.Thye look pretty much the same to me.

 

So untill further research or a side by side comparison of both parts can be done, someone may have to take a $149 chance on the Buddy Club unit and see if it will work.:|

Depending on the return policy, I may take the chance after the holidays.

 

The reason I was thinking about the Neuspeed one over the Buddy Club is in case I have any warrantee issues. Its much easier to pop out the Neuspeed adapter if you need to go in for service on something.

John

 

I just received an e-mail from the tech department of the seller of the Buddy Club shifter...it goes on to say that even though the shifters from the Element and the Civic Si look similar, they apparently do not interchange, but could not say with 100% certainty. Looks like more research is in order.

 

I emailed Neuspeed about their SSK and they didn't know, never occured to them to try it on the Element. Anyway, they thought it was a great question and seemed interested. Here's their reply:

Hi Chris,
That's a great question! Truthfully, we have never tried to fit it on
the Element...although they do look similar. If you wish to give it a
shot, let me know and I'll see what I can do...

Thanks,
Danny

So hopefully, if they are generous, I'll get to test fit one or something, and then we'll know. I also asked about a possible group buy, but he didn't address that in the reply.

 

i thought the e already had a short shifter on it.....well it's shorter than any shifter i've seen from a factory car....maybe the civic si's is slightly shorter....you know...the bent nail shifter

 

I talked to Neuspeed the other day about the short shifter adapter. They didnt really want to send one out to test, though they did say that if anyone had a manual Element in Southern California that they would test it out for us. Is there anyone is Southern California that is willing to give it a try?

Call 1-800-423-3623 or 805-388-7171 if you are interested

John

 

Neuspeed was kind enough to let me test out the Si SSK on my '04 Element. It should be here in a week or so. If the weather cooperates, i'll have an answer and pics soon enough!

 

I just e-mailed Buddy Club as directly as I could through their website at www.buddyclub.us ...we'll see what happens.

 

Genom....I talked to a BC dealer that is willing to put together a groupbuy for the shifter. He is out of stock right now, though he said he would be willing to help test a unit out. I will provide more info as I get it.

John

 

Nice work John...this is easily the most interesting idea that has come up for the Element in a while. I hope something comes of it..

 

Thanks!!

the BC dealer was real nice. He said he took a look at the Element shifter schematic and compared it to the BC unit. He said he could not find any difference in the units. He thinks it will bolt up. As of now I am just waiting for his email with the current pricing and when he will have one available.

John

 

Good luck guys....hope i was some help in getting things sorted out.

 

I talked to Neuspeed the other day about the short shifter adapter. They didnt really want to send one out to test, though they did say that if anyone had a manual Element in Southern California that they would test it out for us. Is there anyone is Southern California that is willing to give it a try?

Call 1-800-423-3623 or 805-388-7171 if you are interested

John

I'd be willing but I'm nowhere near Camarillo.

I checked out the installation instruction on the Neuspeed site.
Looks easy enough.