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Fixed my ignition switch by removing a few wafers

We've had three locks go bad on our 2003 Honda Element, first the two door locks and now the ignition. Our Honda dealer wants over $600 to replace just the ignition lock. My strategy is to add the electronic remote entry for the doors as previously suggested here (around $120, looks easy to install) and remove the front wafers from that ignition lock. (That might void some theft insurance policies.)

I successfully pulled the ignition lock assembly and handed it over to a locksmith who did the deed for $20. I might have removed the wafers myself, except I wasn't quite sure how to open it. First step is to punch a pin through a shaft, but without sufficient clearance behind for the pin to come fully through. Locksmith said he just punched the pin as far as he could, then ripped the pin out of there with a pair of pliers. From that point on it should be about the same as dealing with the door locks.

Only tools I needed were some phillips screwdrivers and a lot of nerve.

The bottom piece of plastic around the steering column is held in place by three phillips screws up from below, the machine screw to the rear is tricky to get started when reassembling. The top piece of plastic just snaps off.

Once the plastic around the steering column is removed, the black plastic housing around the ignition keyhole is exposed. There are five phillips screws to remove from that housing, one large screw and four same sized small screws.

Turn the steering wheel to provide nearly direct access to remove the large phillips screw that is easily seen from the driving position.

Remove two small phillips screws from lower front of the black plastic housing.

Remove the philips screw that enters from the direction of the fuel guage, need a short screwdriver less than 3.5" long for this.

Unplug the wiring harness from the two green connectors toward the rear, you must first push in on the tab on one side of the connector to release it. (Connectors are keyed differently, there's only one way to put them back together.) Push the wiring aside to remove a phillips screw from underneath the black plastic housing, you will need to crawl in there and look up from a position near the accelerator pedal to see this one.

Slide the black plastic piece free out along the direction that the key would enter.

Slide out a second black plastic piece, leave it dangling by the two wires. Try not to lose the small metal roller pin that (I believe) goes into a round hole in the lower front part of the metal piece now exposed and holds the lock assembly in place. I didn't notice it at first, and it fell out on my shoes when I inspected the second black plastic piece. The roller pin is probably there only to retain the lock core during assembly, it's a very loose fit. I was not able to unplug the two wire connector from this second black plastic piece, bunged up the connector some by trying.

Pull the lock core straight out, being careful not to lose the fairly large spring at the far end that is helping you pull it out. From there, I took the lock core to be serviced by a locksmith.

Other than locks and stress cracks in windshields, we've had fairly good luck with the Element. Just be mindful of clearance, a high rock can easily do a couple thousand Honda dealer dollars of damage to all that sheet metal and plastic under there.

Thanks to Locksmith for getting this thread going with such informative posts. I suspect his procedure will work fine if any bad wafers are simply removed rather than replaced.
 
Discussion starter · #64 ·
Whew, it's been a while since I've thought about it. Lemmie see if I remember.

The bracket that holds the handle can't get past the tail of the lock. The handle can't come out till the lock is clear of the bracket so, no. You have to remove the lock to remove the bracket to remove the handle. If your only goal is to remove/replace the lock you don't have to remove the handle at all.
 
In a pinch...

Thanks for this thread! My problem was exactly what described and the procedure to get everything apart was right on the money, BUT I did have one problem...

I called my local Honda and the girl in the parts department had no idea what I meant by "wafers". I tried to explain what the parts were and she was still had no idea... I also looked online and couldn't find them there.

On my lock cylinder there was only one wafer sticking up as you described, so I tried reassembling with that one wafer removed and the reassembled cylinder worked great! I know it's not the ideal repair, but in a pinch it'll get your lock up and running and still allow you to use your original key.

Good Luck
 
In Honda's happy little world we call them tumblers. She could have spent the whole day looking for them in the parts catalog and never have found them. We have them in a master repair kit that is supplied to us from Honda. Try callking the service department on monday. They should be able to help you out if you still need one.


Thanks for this thread! My problem was exactly what described and the procedure to get everything apart was right on the money, BUT I did have one problem...

I called my local Honda and the girl in the parts department had no idea what I meant by "wafers". I tried to explain what the parts were and she was still had no idea... I also looked online and couldn't find them there.

On my lock cylinder there was only one wafer sticking up as you described, so I tried reassembling with that one wafer removed and the reassembled cylinder worked great! I know it's not the ideal repair, but in a pinch it'll get your lock up and running and still allow you to use your original key.

Good Luck
 
Bumping a bit of an old thread for my first post. I know, I know- but this is a pretty common problem and it's better for me to say "hey guys, there's a 30 page thread about this in the ELEMENT forums- maybe you want to help us out..." than if I said the same thing with 11 pages. Only way that's going to happen is if people with the issue keep posting to say that they have the issue.

The Element is the gf's and she's happy with it overall but at 156k things are starting to come past due- the locks included.

One point of mention to the OP- I've read just about all the pages in this thread and props to you for the effort. Unfortunately, a person doesn't get to the point where you "recant" the thread intentions until quite a ways down the line. If I may suggest you put the "edit" in the first post so a person doesn't go through it and then later discover that it wasn't going to work anyway- I think many would appreciate the info as I'm sure they already appreciate everything else you have done!

So we're a bit farther down the line than the last post in August... can other Honda Element owners weigh in here with recent experiences at the stealerships? Are the prices coming down to replace the locks? Are there better solutions? Have there been any magic words to help get the price down at all? Is it service center to service center... or are they all stepping up to help out the loyal E owners?

In our specific situation, her driver side door lock hasn't worked for ages and the ignition just started acting up today. I'm sure it won't be long before her only working lock- the passenger side- stops working entirely. Perhaps we can get a volume discount?

Anyway- wakey wakey! This thread needs some more attention!

Eno
 
a person doesn't get to the point where you "recant" the thread intentions until quite a ways down the line. If I may suggest you put the "edit" in the first post so a person doesn't go through it and then later discover that it wasn't going to work anyway
Note added to first post.
 
Discussion starter · #69 ·
Thanks dan.

There could be a possible solution but it would take someone at a Honda parts dept who's willing to work with me to find out. I already know it can be done to an '03 Civic cause I stumbled on the chance to do it for a customer. His ign stuck on him and he called me to fix it. He ordered the right lock but they sent him the wrong one, for an '02. I got to looking at it and noticed they were almost identical.

Both '02 and '03 Civic use the same transponder chip, the '03 is the 4-track (like the E) and the '02 is the old style key, the kind that don't wear down as fast. The ignition lock assembly is pretty much the same except for the core of the lock. I was able to put the core of an '02 into the lock housing of an '03 and it worked perfectly so now that guy won't have to worry about his ign failing any time soon.

What I would need is to be able to look through some or all of the non 4-track locks to see if they can be put into an Element. If there are some that would fit I would highly recommend changing to the old style whenever it's time to replace them. The transponder would also have to match but that's not a problem either.

So if anybody works at Honda parts and want's to help out gimme a holler and we'll see what we can do.
 
I thought that remote lock releases were standard equipment for the Element. :lol: I've got about 60,000 on my 2004. Any day now, I expect I'll have to change the batteries in the remotes.

Unless you don't practice preventive maintenance, and never clean or lube them, door locks shouldn't stick or wear out. The ignition lock is a different critter.
 
OK let me TRY to explain how I fixed my 2005 Element Key Not turning (IGNITION SWITCH.......first thing I took the cover off the steering wheel, which is easy, just 3 screws to take out....then I removed the plastic cover off the right side of the key switch, THEN I found very small coldrole pin that I was able to remove with a small(very small) icepick type of tool... it took some doing but it came out, just keep working on it it will come out....then you can remove the "tumbler assembly:" and I removed all the tumbler(waffers) except for one, the very last on toward the opsite end of the key....... then I put it all back togather and it did not work..so I determined that the problem then was inside the divice that locks the steering wheel from turning.....now that took some doing but there is a steel flat cover keeping the steering wheel lock in there..........but it did take a lot of time to remove it and when I did remove it the stuff just fell out after I removed the shaft that goes threw the complete key assembly, and to do that there is a selnoid that you will need to take out, it has one screw (phillips head) and remove the white plastic cover and it can b removed with very little work. I just threw all of that stuff away.....now my key works great, tomorrow I will fix my driver's side door lock......GOOD LUCK
 
"I just threw all that stuff away" meaning I threw the steering wheel lock away all of it.....I threw the long coper colored long piece away, I threw the solinod away,,, anything that was b-tween the key tumblers and the end piece with the wires going to it in the black end, left end of the switch, everything is trown away, no steering wheel lock, nothing except the shaft that goes all the way threw the switch..........sorry no pictures;(
good luck, they wanted from 450 to 700 to fix it for me at honda;((
 
I realize this is an old thread but here goes. do I need to go to the dealership with the car to order a new cylinder for the drivers door? Or can I just call the dealer with the VIN and have them order it? Will it be identical to the key we have now or will I have to use a new key?
 
I realize this is an old thread but here goes. do I need to go to the dealership with the car to order a new cylinder for the drivers door? Or can I just call the dealer with the VIN and have them order it? Will it be identical to the key we have now or will I have to use a new key?
You can order a cylinder over the phone (if you dealer does phone orders) or even online at a number of retailers.

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The cylinder will come with two new keys. You will have to have it recoded if you want it to match the rest of the locks. You can have this done by the dealer or a locksmith.
 
And I'm out of laziness lock wires plugged into the control unit and open the locks without a key. How will I ever felt like this I will wielder of the lock. :-D
The total cost of the ECU central locking with two pilots in terms of about $ 20. :-D
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Discussion starter · #79 ·
Hey Soundquest, it looks like this is a good deal. http://www.hondapartsnow.com/genuine/honda~cylinder~72185-S9A-013.html It's a couple bucks less than my cost ($35.34) at the dealer. It will have different keys but there is a slight chance that it could be re-arraigned to fit your key. With both key codes I could tell you if it's possible. If they're way too different you'll have to find someone with a pinning kit.

cheers
Pierre
 
To continue with a slight twist on this thread. I have a 2003 Element and have the "Driver's Lock won't Turn" syndrome. Can I just swap the two locks between the driver's side and the passenger side if I decide not to fix the lock? In other words, are the lock cartridges interchangeable? That way the passenger side will work properly, and the seldom used passenger side will now have the syndrome. Thanks for the info.
Mike
 
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