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My dog Nikko was attacked by two Dobermans

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#1 ·
My neighbors have two beautiful brown Doberman dogs that are about 80 pounds each. They are rarely walked, and use the enclosed concrete staircase next to their home as toilets. They both bark aggressively at the staircase gate or in the house at the window when my dog and I walk pass. I feel badly for the dogs because they deserve better lives with hikes and walks.

Today, both of them were loose on my street, as I was walking my dog.

While taking our afternoon walk, my dog Nikko, who is a 90 pound German Shepherd, suddenly freezes. I get that split second “something is going on” feel, and as I turn around I notice one of said Dobermans running at us, full speed, five yards and closing. Just as the fight instinct of my “fight or flight” options kicks in, I notice that the second Doberman is also charging at us, at our three ‘o clock position, about 10 yards and closing fast.

This is not the first time the dogs are loose. My neighbors are not superhuman, and they will make mistakes. They also have four tween to teen children, and they will make mistakes. Unfortunately, a forgotten latch or an open door with them means two very, very vicious dogs on the loose. Many of my neighbors have made many complaints to the Pasadena Humane Society, but their hands are tied with nothing more serious than a warning. When confronted, they claim that their Dobermans are totally friendly. These are the big dog owners that give the rest of us a bad name.

Back to the action: I yelled “back off!” as loud as I could at the first charging Doberman, and am holding onto my dog’s harness to my right. The Doberman veers right to both of us and takes a bite at my dog’s right hip. I see a tuff of hair fly away from Nikko.

By this time the second Doberman is on us, and I pull out my California legal 2 ounce pepper spray and hit him right between the eyes. That gave us about a two second pause. Doberman 2 picks up his front right leg to wipe at his face, and then comes right back at us. As I fend him off with my left hand with a half circle clockwise swipe at his head, his bites the inside of my palm and leaves a incisor-sized, superficial puncture wound.

I learned today that the misting pepper spray is pretty much useless against a large dog. Thanks to California legislation, as a law-abiding citizen I’m not allowed to carry anything to defend myself. Not a gun, not an extendable baton, not a knife bigger than an exacto blade.

As this is happening, Doberman 1 is on our six ‘o clock and circling back to charge. I turn to spray Doberman 1, but the mist does not have the distance to cover him. It does give him pause, allowing me three more steps to position both Dobermans in front of me. I’m not far from my house at this point, and all I can think of is how to get my back to something solid (like a car or a house), so that I’m not being constantly flanked by these two dogs.

The Doberman’s owners are not home, but another neighbor sees this taking place, and drives his truck into the street to provide a shield for me and my dog. I’ve since thanked him numerous times for saving my life, because he did. I told his wife and two young boys that their husband/father was a superhero today, and that made the family very happy.

He honks his horn and positions his car back and forth to try and block the two dogs, but one of them always manages a flanking maneuver around the vehicle at me. However, with enough yelling and violent kicking I manage to back myself to the house and got back inside.

To be honest, I was absolutely livid and my first thought was to grab my shotgun and put the two dogs down. My friend very wisely suggested that I get animal control involved first, and I'm glad I listened to her. I grabbed another pepper spray and headed out, but by this time a group of neighbors had corralled the Dobermans back into their gate.

I get back into the house and contact Pasadena Humane Society. The officer arrives, checks my wound, and takes a report. He’s a very nice man, and I try to speak as clearly as I can while trying to control the remaining adrenaline in my system. We then walk to my (truck-driving) neighbor’s home and take his report, and he says the Dobermans had been out for a while, but he just didn’t know who owned them. When he saw me walking with my dog, he knew trouble was going to occur, and he drove towards us.

I am going to remind myself constantly to pass his kindness forward. Today would have been much, much worse without his help. Right now I have puncture wounds on my left hand, and Nikko is very tender at his right hip/low rib area. With these two Dobermans, there could have been body parts flying.

I am known amongst my friends as one of those crazy dog lovers, so even at this point I don’t blame the Dobermans. They are dogs behaving like mistreated dogs. However, I do blame the owners for their irresponsibility. My big dog doesn’t possess pent-up anger because he is walked and hiked all the time. He plays with other dogs. My neighbors clearly lack the parenting skills to possess two Dobermans, and it is a matter of statistical probability before the two of them chews down one of the several mother-child combos that walk these hills on a daily basis. And there’s nothing we neighbors can do, because we are law-abiding citizens.
 
#2 ·
I am very sorry to hear about what happened! I was very happy to read in the end that the neighbor helped and you got away without any super serious/deadly injuries. When I was a kid we had a neighbor like that and it really made you scared to go out sometimes if the dogs were loose. I did end up getting attacked one day myself while walking across to a neighbors house. Thankfully my mom saw what happened and actually charged the dog with a broom and believe it or not he backed off.

You know I would have some same thoughts as you right after the dog attacked. I am a dog lover myself, but i have also had the thought in my mind what would I do if we got attacked while walking my dog. I think i would do whatever I needed to make sure my dog and I were OK. It really is a sad thing to think about. As far as what to do now. You may want to consider legal action. I am sure you will have some vet/doctor bills from the attack. This may be a good way to let the neighbor know that you guys/neighbors wont tolerate viscous loose dogs roaming the neighborhood. It may not be the dogs fault, but it still is not right!

Good luck!!

John
 
#3 ·
What would of happen if you had a small child with you, and the dog attacked it. I would have the police charge the dog owner. Dogs that attack other dogs like what you described is not good. I was walking my dog in the front yard once and some guy came down the street with his dobi, and it attacked both me and my dog. Bit him in the neck and me in my arm. I have hated those Dobi dogs since. Do something to the owner, before it happens to someone else.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Thank God for your neighbor's quick-thinking and your own resourcefulness in protecting you and your pup! :???:

My sympathies on the trauma for you and your pup and for being conflicted between your love of dogs and the danger these two clearly present to the neighborhood, due to the negligence of their owners.

Has your hand been treated by a doctor? (you should have it checked if the skin was broken, never know what germs are in those dogs' mouths). THEN SEND THE NEIGHBOR THE BILL IN A CERTIFIED-NOTARIZED LETTER. If you go to an emergency facility then they are probably required by law to report the dog biting incident, the dogs probably will be impounded or at least required to be quarantined. The owners will then have a legal record and any further incidents would surely have serious consequences for them and the dogs.

Has your dog been checked out by a vet? (have him checked out, a vet could see an abrasion you missed and keep it from getting infected. THEN SEND THE NEIGHBOR THE BILL IN A CERTIFIED-NOTARIZED LETTER.

And while the incident is fresh in your neighbors' minds, I would ask for them to attest, in writing, to what they witnessed. With date, time, full name, etc. Including signature.

The owners also have a problem with their homeowners insurance if there is a record of vicious dogs. In fact, a lot of homeowner policies these days exclude coverage for certain breeds, such as Dobies.

Out of regard for the Dobies, I would also contact a Doberman rescue organization. Explain the situation and they may have suggestions. At the least you could present the rescue option to the Dobies' owners as a humane way to get the dogs out of the neighborhood and to new owners who have the time to properly socialize and exercise the dogs.

If the owners don't do something drastic -- such as training -- then those dogs will end up being killed (by the authorities, a victim or a car) and the owners will be up to their eyeballs in litigation.

I, too, always, always carry pepper spray when I walk my dog (Gidget, a Samoyed) for precisely the same reason. You just never know when a dog is going to get loose (or at our nearby park, already be loose) and violent.

I hadn't thought about the fog spray being a problem. That may argue for carrying bear spray which a much longer range (30 feet). It can be carried on a hip belt for a fanny pack, etc. I have bear spray on my bike's handlebar grip for commuting to and from work.

Cabela's pepper spray-bear spray options:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/common/search/search-results1.jsp?_dyncharset=ISO-8859-1&hasJS=true&_D%3AhasJS=+&sort=all&QueryText=pepper+spray&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&_DARGS=%2Fcabelas%2Fen%2Fcommon%2Fsearch%2Fsearch-box.jsp.form23

REI bear spray:
http://www.rei.com/search?query=bear+spray&button.x=0&button.y=0


I hope your neighbors will be proactive and not defensive now that this has happened. They need to understand that they are financially and criminally-liable for their dogs' actions. They also need to understand that there are behavior modification options -- including exercise -- that can, and must, be pursued. Some people just are not aware of the potential consequences of their non-action.

Have they apologized to you? Have they offered to pay the medical and vet bills?

:confused:



 
#5 ·
You might also print out and present to your neighbors a copy of California's Dangerous Dog Law.
http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stuscafoodagcode31601.htm

(a) The owner of any dog is liable for the damages suffered by any person who is bitten by the dog while in a public place or lawfully in a private place, including the property of the owner of the dog, regardless of the former viciousness of the dog or the owner's knowledge of such viciousness.

§ 3342.5. Duty of owner; action; dogs trained to fight, attack, or kill; legislation by city and county

(a) The owner of any dog that has bitten a human being shall have the duty to take such reasonable steps as are necessary to remove any danger presented to other persons from bites by the animal.

(b) Whenever a dog has bitten a human being on at least two separate occasions, any person, the district attorney, or city attorney may bring an action against the owner of the animal to determine whether conditions of the treatment or confinement of the dog or other circumstances existing at the time of the bites have been changed so as to remove the danger to other persons presented by the animal. This action shall be brought in the county where a bite occurred. The court, after hearing, may make any order it deems appropriate to prevent the recurrence of such an incident, including, but not limited to, the removal of the animal from the area or its destruction if necessary.


§ 31602. Potentially dangerous dog defined


"Potentially dangerous dog" means any of the following:
(a) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, engages in any behavior that requires a defensive action by any person to prevent bodily injury when the person and the dog are off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog.
(b) Any dog which, when unprovoked, bites a person causing a less severe injury than as defined in Section 31604.
(c) Any dog which, when unprovoked, on two separate occasions within the prior 36-month period, has killed, seriously bitten, inflicted injury, or otherwise caused injury attacking a domestic animal off the property of the owner or keeper of the dog.

A Los Angeles law firm that specializes in suing dog owners (aptly named "Slaughter & Slaughter"):
http://www.rezat.com/archives/0000/00/california_dog_1.php

Dog bite lawyers are a growth industry in California!!

 
#7 ·
Wow that is just horrible and scary as hell. I know the feeling as I have been jumped/chased and on one occasion bitten by a loose dog on my daily runs. Thankfully I have never had one of my dogs with me, or I'm sure it could have been much worse for all of us.
Kudos to your truck savior, I had a guy in a satallite truck rescue me from one of my attacks.
I really hope your local animal control does something, mine does nothing:x
The dog that bit me was only picked up after 3 more attacks on other people and a killed dog/pet.
I hope Nikko recovers physically and mentally from his ordeal.

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#8 ·
I am less kind than others in how I feel how the dobie owners should be treated. The situation would be very serious in my eyes.

A neighborhood near where I live went through this several years ago. A woman who traveled frequently had dogs that would get out of her yard. She never properly addressed the issue. The dogs had been threatening when loose but always returned by neighbors. One day they got loose and the only eye witnesses to what transpired are dead. The dogs killed two elderly neighbors. I followed the case since the original incidence. It is clear the warning signs for what eventually happened where there.

http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2007/11/prosecutor_says_dogs_involved.html

I would even consider a law suit if thats what it would take to get this situation straightened out.
 
#9 ·
Lots of mistakes by the dobe owners

#1. Always kennel your dog when not home.
#2. The dogs are not exersized enough.
#3. they are isolated/no social skills.

Another black eye to all us who have Dobermans.

I don't care how good my dog's are. If I am gone they are in the house. I have 3 gates on my 1/3rd acre lot. All three have a clasp that must be undone to open the gates. If my dog's wanted to they could jump my 48" fence at any time. I train them, I walk them, I exersize them. I take them up to people and other dogs at the pet store.

I moved to a new home a couple years ago and people were afraid because of the vicious dog I had. This really pissed me off. But I held it in and I taught my neighbors that they are not what is seen in the movies. They love my dogs, and realize that it is all in how they are raised.

Definately contact Doberman Rescue. Even if they do not lose their dog's maybe the rescue can help them get on track to properly care and train them.

The dog's attacked you, they should lose them. Where I live they would most likely be put down. I am not a fan of this in all case's but sometimes the best thing to do.

When I was in law enforcment back in the late 80's I responded to a attack on a young girl by a pit bull. It was at a park, the owner went out and left the dog alone in the yard. The dog ended up at the park and went after this 3 year old girl. So I arrive and the dog has gone off into a wooded area, I go to find the dog and it starts to charge me. 2 .45 rounds ended his life.

I was scared to death. I could not imagine what the poor little girl had endured. Of course the owners denied that their dog could have ever done this. They implied that they must have done something to get the dog mad. It still comes down to the fact that they left the dog unattended.

Good luck with everything. Both of you should see a doctor asap.
 
#10 ·
Thank you for the kind words and the suggestions.

The neighbors did wave to me today, but haven't apologized. I waved back. I think it's for the best, because they have a tendency to rationalize their dog's behavior, and did once insinuate that other dogs are the cause of their own dogs' aggression. I'm not sure if I can stop myself from punching someone at this point if they rationalize, so it's best to keep my distance for now.

I'm taking the dog to the vet tomorrow. We did an easy hike today, and he was okay. He still flinches when I gently stroke his right side, so I'm worried about that.

This episode also really made me re-evaluate my protection measures, because it upsets me that I have defensive tools in the house that I can't bring with me. That made them useless; therefore, I'm now shifting my attention to something I can carry all day everyday, in CA.
 
#18 ·
Thank you for the kind words and the suggestions.

The neighbors did wave to me today, but haven't apologized. I waved back. I think it's for the best, because they have a tendency to rationalize their dog's behavior, and did once insinuate that other dogs are the cause of their own dogs' aggression. I'm not sure if I can stop myself from punching someone at this point if they rationalize, so it's best to keep my distance for now.
Same thing happened to me when I confronted a man who's pitbull kept jumping me, I use a dogstick when I run, and it has my cellphone attatched to it, when the dog would come after me I would stop, turn, face the dog then swing the stick at the dog, the dog was always quicker than my swing and managed to grab the stick with with his jaws, it became important for me to try and keep the stick in his mouth because he kept trying to turn loose and come at me.
The owner blamed me----said if I wasn't carrying the stick then the dog would leave me alone---I explained that if i wasn't carrying the stick then I'd be hamburger on the road!:mad:

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#11 ·
One idea for self defence

A collapsible police baton. Just do a search online and you can find them almost anywhere.
 
#13 ·
Honestly, it doesn't mater what the breed, if anyone cannot control their dog they don't need them, period.

From what I'm seeing here, this sounds like someone who wants a dog - without having to 'do anything'. Dogs aren't furniture, you don't buy them and then just occasionally knock the dust off of them. :mad:

HC has posted some good info, and I agree totally with what she has posted. But, get in touch with Animal Control - before this turns into something worse.

Some people shouldn't own dogs, period. Best wishes for you and Nikko.
 
#14 ·
One thing I find interesting is that I think what happened to be a criminal matter that should be dealt with by the police. Even if the police feel they cannot act the incidence would be documented. A track record goes along way to help with future problems that arise. Once owners have shown a lack of ability to take control of their animals it is criminal. Other posters seem to feel its just an animal issue.
I may feel that way because our animal control no longer gets funding. They are essentially useless. Unfortunately this has put a huge burden on Humane Society. They now do animal pick up and cruelty investigations.

Again I think you are being too kind.
 
#15 ·
Our animal control is part of the police department. Any animal related 'incident' is investigated by the AC.

If the AC there is not part of the local police force, then yes they too should be notified.

Please, don't wait till some small child is hurt or worse... You're dealing with a ticking time bomb, it's not a matter of 'if', it's 'when'.
 
#16 ·
Please check out the bear spray -- it shoots 30 feet. Keep it by the front door and carry it when you walk the dogs. It's more humane than beating the dogs with a baton and you wouldn't have to get so close. Hard to imagine even the Socialist Republic of California would be bent out of shape if you used spray in a dog attack. And it just looks like a big canister of plain 'ol pepper spray.

You should also get your hand checked out. At least call your doctor. They may also be legally obliged to report the incident. This incident needs to be legally recorded in the event there is a problem in the future.

Those dogs are suffering and they are going to make someone, very possibly a child, suffer much more.

If these dogs are terrorizing the neighborhood then you ought to have a lot of support. And you could pursue remedies under the guise of a neighborhood effort rather than being the lone ranger.

Best wishes to you. Bad luck to have such idiot neighbors.

8)
 
#17 ·
Using Pepper Spray in California
What is the pepper spray law in California? Misuse of tear gas in California comes with state penalties of up to a $1000 fine and/or up to three years in prison, not to mention a possible felony conviction on record. Examples of misuse include using tear gas on people in anger, spraying it as a joke, or possession of tear gas by prohibited persons. Minors, drug addicts or persons convicted of felonies, assault or misuse of tear gas are legally prohibited from possessing tear gas, although there are few barriers to procurement of tear gas by these people. To be legally purchased, possessed or used in California, any canister must have a label that says "WARNING: The use of this substance or device for any purpose other than self-defense is a crime under the law. The contents are dangerous--use with care." The maximum legal net weight for a canister is 2.5 ounces, or 70 grams of OC.

Bear spray is usually in much larger cans. 9 oz or so.
 
#29 ·
What is the pepper spray law in California? Misuse of tear gas in California comes with state penalties of up to a $1000 fine and/or up to three years in prison, not to mention a possible felony conviction on record.
I have no doubt that it is illegal for me to carry bear spray in the District of Columbia. But it's the only effective recourse I have against criminals carrying illegal guns and knives. I will continue to carry it on my handlebars in full view of every squad car in the Capitol. It is illegal to have pepper spray on the National Mall, but I will continue to carry it in a pocket when I walk my dog there, to protect her from dogs illegally off leash and to protect me from the legions of whackos around here.

And sometimes I will turn right on red before 7:00 p.m.

I won't let the government completely bar me from being able to defend myself and my dog.

A former FBI agent mentioned an old saying: rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

And I like to also quote Sharon Stone in Basic Instinct when detectives admonish her to obey the No Smoking sign.

Stone's character replied, as she lit up another cig: "Are you going to arrest me for smoking?"

:)


 
#19 ·
After our French Bulldog pup was attacked by a Pitt Bull mix (same situation, not being exercised - Son/owner in Iraq, Father in wheel chair looking after the dog), started carring the Mail-man dog repellent called "Halt". Also carry a leash that has a car seatbelt tab integrated into it for keeping the dog latched in the car. The heavy metal tab goes into a velcro pocket near the hand-loop. Nice and weighted, making a good "improvised" club to swing at an attacking dog. Police can't fault a guy for carrying an extra dog leash with him.

A friend carries a hiking stick, that she has used to fend off a potentially dangerous stray that was circling her dog on a walk.

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Also learned from a police dog handler how to "last resort" immobilize a dog that has a grip on another dog (or human). They are taught to grab the dog by the hind legs, and pull the legs back and out from under them, straddleing the dog facing the rear, sitting on the dog's hind-qtrs holding the legs out, and the dog down until help arrives.
 
#20 ·
mkh;696759 Also learned from a police dog handler how to "last resort" immobilize a dog that has a grip on another dog (or human). They are taught to grab the dog by the hind legs said:
I will have to try and remember this. I once tried to seperate a German Shepherd that had a death grip on a Dalmations throat. I found out just how hard that is to do. I don't think that I physically had the strength.
 
#22 ·
Yes, but he has to sit down and bend forward to do it. :rolleyes:

Police dog-guy demo'd for us. Had one guy hold and shake the "tease" for the (huge) German Shep to grab. With the dog distracted, he just swung a leg over the dogs back, reached down and yanked the dogs back legs out from under him, and sat down on him. Dog was down on his belly, and couldn't get any leverage or reach the guy, as long as he held onto the legs. Was a stuggle for sure, and not something I'd try except if no other alternative to save life/limb. :-o
 
#24 ·
Glad everyone seems to be ok!! I'll echo what everyone else said: look at your legal options, contact the dobie rescue, doctor & vet.

...they have a tendency to rationalize their dog's behavior, and did once insinuate that other dogs are the cause of their own dogs' aggression.
This sounds very very familiar. There's a couple down the street from me who have a large yellow lab. They got it from the wife's dad when he passed away - his will said that she could have his classic El Camino IF she would care for the dog. For the dog's whole life, he was a one-man dog, and it worked fine. Her dad took decent care of him and they were best friends and spent all their time together, but never socialized with other dogs or (rarely) other humans.

She wants the car so she takes the dog. Knows pretty much nothing about dogs except that they need to be walked & fed. So she walks it through the neighborhood unconcerned. Since the lab had basically never seen another dog, the first time he & my Aussie met they got off on the wrong foot. My Aussie runs up barking and happy to see a playmate and the lab took it the wrong way and got upset. Cue much grr'ing and a little angry barking and some snaps at both parties. Back the dogs off, no big deal, not even any fur off.

The problem starts that now she's convinced my dog is out to get hers and that my Aussie is a vicious killer. One day they were walking by and we were coming in from the car (yes they were off leash, yes I know I was in the wrong on that one). Cheyenne saw the lab and ran out barking her heart out, the lab barked back, there was a bit of growling, etc. I dropped what I was carrying and took off after them. By the time I got there, they had STOPPED and were just about to do the whole butt-sniffing and make up, when the owner saw me coming and YANKED her dog back away from mine. Of course this set him off again, she's scared and angry and he feels it. As soon as she yanks the leash he snapped and kinda went wild, lunging and snarling at mine as she (wisely) backs up looking like "WTF we were getting along so well!?".

I've since tried to talk to her about it and see if we can get the two dogs together sometime for a controlled re-introduction and she's adamant that she won't bring her dog near my psychotic animal. *sigh*

Anyway I wish you the best, keep us updated on the happenings!



 
#25 ·
#26 ·
Was she was talking about your dog or you:rolleyes:
Some days I wonder if she's all right in the head, especially when she's stated that the old El Camino is the pinnacle of automotive engineering...:twisted:



 
#33 ·
Here in Canada its an offense to use pepper spray and maize on humans, but u can for animals. But I carry it all the time (espically with deteriorating crime, increased road rages, idiots and pit bull attacks).

Anyways..... I learnt 2 lessons with sprays.....

1. always look for the wind direction (otherwise you will spray it on yourself)

2. always know where the spray hole is....cause i sprayed myself!

Should file a civil lawsuit against the owners of the dobermans for causing pain & injury as well as to claim all medical / vet expenses.

Rule of thumb, anytime the dogs are outside the house, they should be supervised. No supervision, no outdoors; period!
 
#34 ·
#36 ·
BTW if pepper spray is illegal, I bet horseradish spray isn't...:evil: